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 Post subject: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:45 pm 
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Conclusions first.

Trump is a fascist that won power in a time of non-crisis which may be a tactical advantage to communists if we recognise the situation quickly enough, if we do not we're worse off.

Allow me to paint two pictures.

Clinton won the presidency, Trump and his fascist allies spend the next year or two absolutely RAILING against the current administration. Suddenly, as Arty has predicted here http://thewolfatthedoor.blogspot.com/20 ... wrong.html the next "big *** recession" lands. Trump and the fascist use this as an excuse to seize power and begin their attacks on the minorities of the working class and we see traditional fascism at work. The communists, during this time, have been probably doing what they always do, which is to say nothing.

Trump won the presidency, Trump is forced, due to the (present) lack of crises to stall precipitating a full fascist movement in society. He has, however, revealed his hand to the communists who are as we speak beginning to mobilize against him. Thus we have the opportunity to build networks and connections of resistance before the next crises hits when the hard crackdown will begin. What are the fascists doing in the mean time? Possibly due to the inability of Trump to begin a full fascist movement, the more hardcore fascists will become impatient and more or less abandon Trump and seek leadership elsewhere in unofficial ranks, thus leading to a divided leadership amongst their ranks when the crises strikes. They may hold fast behind Trump of course though.

The task facing the communists today, is to prepare networks of resistance while we are not presently experiencing a crises, and to mobilize those networks when the crackdown inevitably follows. We will fail if, after becoming president, Trump winds up being relatively bound by the fact that capitalism isn't currently experiencing a crises, and we let our guard down.

I can be proven wrong if, instead of lessening, the fascist violence continues to escalate in the coming weeks. I expect to see a surge in fascist violence the day he won, and the day he becomes president, but that, due to the lack of a present capitalist crises, it will be forced to relatively lower levels. If he becomes president, fascist violence spikes and declines, I stand by my predictions. If the violence continues to escalate, or remains at a high level, I will be wrong and any perceived tactical advantage we have was just an illusion.

Either way, the task is to organise networks of resistance in the current relative lull, and to not let them wither and decay, because the crises WILL happen soon, and we must be prepared for it. If I am right, we must ensure that our guard is NOT let down. That mistake will be fatal.

Evidence in my favour is the following graph at the bottom of the article.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... ection-day

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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
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What are the fascists doing in the mean time? Possibly due to the inability of Trump to begin a full fascist movement, the more hardcore fascists will become impatient and more or less abandon Trump and seek leadership elsewhere in unofficial ranks, thus leading to a divided leadership amongst their ranks when the crises strikes. They may hold fast behind Trump of course though.


This.

This particular convergence of hedge-fund managers, whack-job Christian conservatives, and nightrider terrorists is swirling around itself and has not yet congealed in a solid organization. But as disparate as it may be it's way ahead of us.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
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I think we need to really move to some programmatic [NOTE: I originally typed "pogrommatic(!)] points for class based opposition.

First and foremost, I think the next moment of this big *** recession is about to hit-- profits in the US S&P 500 have been down for 5 successive, if not already the 6th, quarters. Overproduction of oil, steel, etc. shipbuilding has driven the markets into near paralysis.

So I offer a couple, just a couple of points, to get the discussion started.

So first point: NO LAYOFFS
Second point: NO ICE WORKPLACE RAIDS
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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
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Not tolerating layoffs should probably be coupled with a lack of tolerance for wage cuts in any form including rising healthcare costs.

For each point of the program should we not also list an appropriate response?

For example, if confronted with layoffs or wage cuts in any form, the response is an immediate and indefinite strike if at all possible. If strikebreakers are brought in, they are to be persuaded to strike with us with the new demand being added that they too will be guaranteed jobs at equal pay to the existing striking workers.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
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Totally agree of wage cuts and givebacks.

I don't think we can identify specific actions that will immediately be taken regardless of particular circumstances. Remember the actions are tactical. They have to feed into a strategy, for the realization of the "ultimate goal."

So immediate strikes may not be possible. We may, and will, have to do a whole lot of work to get to the point of a strike. And an isolated strike may exactly play into the hands of the bourgeoisie.

If we could actually get a hearing at a union meeting, or a factory meeting, about defending workers from ICE raids--be still my beating heart--and workers themselves proposed a series of responses different than anything we even considered that would be more important than whether or not our prescription for action was supported.

We are at the start of a very long process and that start is way behind schedule.

I would love to hear Mhou's thoughts on this-- could really use his/her input.


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I shot Mhou an e-mail.

This is one of the big problems we have. There's great information on libcom on your blog some stuff on /r/socialism on /r/anarchism etc. etc. but its not compiled and no one is communicating with everyone. We need a place to talk about it all no? Or do you think the more decentralised approach we're currently taking is better?

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I shot Mhou an e-mail.

This is one of the big problems we have. There's great information on libcom on your blog some stuff on /r/socialism on /r/anarchism etc. etc. but its not compiled and no one is communicating with everyone. We need a place to talk about it all no? Or do you think the more decentralised approach we're currently taking is better?


No I do not think a decentralized approach is better. It is unfortunate, at best. What we're talking about requires organization, organization, and more organization, which of course is fraught with its own problems, but it is the only viable way we have.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
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A few brief thoughts:

BR--I agree with trying to shift the talking points about wages to include all of its deferred manifestations (health care and retirement plans, voluntary/mandatory overtime, fringe benefits, etc.). This is a point I've had some success with at work, pushing to my co-workers that cuts to our health plan are a wage cut; that the loss of jobs is a wage cut (more work with no corresponding increase in pay); changes to overtime policy (shifting which day of the week is considered the beginning and end of the work week for payroll) is a wage cut; etc.

There's an example that comes to mind on the rest. At the time of the Ferguson uprising, the CPUSA published a sample resolution for members to raise at a union meeting. I remember reading it and thinking, "Who exactly is going to raise this, in what context, for what purpose? You're an internet-based historical reenactment society". Point being there is no organization, there is no 'Party'--it's a paper tactic that is masquerading as a genuine tactic. The CPUSA in this example is just a foil for nominal socialists, I'm not endorsing them as anything but a convenient whipping post for this anecdote. I think we should be vigilant in not allowing paper-perfect strategy and tactics to substitute for real organization and real engagement, concrete practice for a concrete purpose.

SA--I think getting a hearing is far easier than it is often considered to be. The obstacle for a lot of people seems to be whether or not this is on the basis of 1) "I'm a Marxist, you have to listen to me!" or 2) "Here's my input/thoughts/suggestions/experience on XYZ". Sometimes this is derided as 'hiding' your politics or that it doesn't count because it doesn't always begin and end with "I'm a communist, you should be too". But I agree with your comment that the collective 'we' are far behind where 'we' should and need to be. To me this is because we've forgotten how to be useful and can't conceive of how to be such again.

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Do we want to call some kind of emergency forum creation solely to discuss trump related issues? We could, relatively privately, share the existence of the forum directly to people like yourself, mhou, whoever else you think is trustworthy etc.

That way it won't have any baggage like redmarx or libcom or reddit or anything.

Or should we all turn to an existing medium?

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