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 Post subject: Something that's been bothering me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:20 pm 
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For quite some time now. I noticed that a lot of communists/socialists/anarchists aren't really that fond of monogamy in any way shape or form, even outside of marriage in the bf/gf bf/bf gf/gf etc. standard. It seems as though most of their hatred for private property is somehow sickly transferred over into the realm of private relationships and it almost seems like they want to abolish that too.

Now being a communist I am completely for the former but the fascination of many for the latter really apauls me. It honestly seems to me as if many can't seem to hold themselves in check long enough to make a single relationship last so they want everyone to have open relationships. I for one am completely and utterly against this. Having had a gf for 6 months who I intend on one day marrying, I can truthfully and honestly say that I don't want none of your stinking paws or any other man/woman's paws on her.

I remember reading a thread Where Invader Zim on revleft told esperanza not to think of herself as being a gift for a man to take, but I think this premise of his was completely wrong. In his eagerness to rid the world of private property he seems to have misconstrued the idea of property with that of loyalty, or perhaps he's never had a real relationship with a single person that he loved in which case he has no fucking clue what he's talking about. I respect his eagerness to abolish hierarchical and dominating relationships, but when 2 people love each other, think of each other equally, and value each other equally, then I think being a gift for someone is completely and utterly acceptable. It shows not ownership or domination in this sense but that of loyalty and companionship.

I know that there are many on here who are against single private relationships. ZeroNoWhere is one such who has a dislike for relationships for whatever bizarre reason that may be (love you :DDD) lol. And I'm sure there are many who would go so extreme as to name them reactionary. But I must say this that even if every sensible leftist on this planet thought they were reactionary and upheld hierarchical relations, I would fight against that claim to the very last. The very same logic of those who advocate open multi-relationships of "who are you to tell me who i can and can't date/have *** with/ love" for multiple people can be conversly used against them in that "who are you to try and take my single love away from me because (insert random reason here [I assure you, none are valid])?"

Forgive me for my ranting but this has been bothering me severely recently and really has me slightly disillusioned with a lot of leftists.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:35 pm 
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How a person wants to love is up to them, do they want to be monogamous? Okay. Are they asexual (Zero)? Okay. Do they want to have lots of *** with lots of people? Okay.

How you feel about these things is based on nurtured behaviour, and is not by any means "natural," there is no one single "correct" way of engaging in relationships with other people.

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In the Origin of the Family, Engels detailed the inequality of marriage during capitalism as stifling to the sexual freedom of women, but for men not so much. Monogamy was substituted with prostitution and adultery. He also described marriage as an economic necessity (for the period, based on the mode of society) that drove the process of inheritance. It's also assumed that people of the time chose their mate mostly for social reasons, and that during socialism people will be liberated from the restrictions of class to chose who they like. I believe that Engels promoted a notion of love based on admiration between two people based on their characteristics, in an environment where they were free to leave at any time and chose another mate, or no one at all. He also assumed this kind of situation already existed for the proletariat to a degree, because they had very few social incentives to choosing a mate and were already impoverished.

I'm glad that you've found the person that you wish to marry, and I wish you the best. I can't speak for the leftists that you've discussed this with, but I suspect that their sexual ideas have very little to do with communism. Their tastes are most likely a matter of personal interest. We also live in a society that bombards us with sexual messages, so perhaps people should wonder if their desires are the result of bourgeois superstructure. I see sexual morality as potentially more revolutionary than licentiousness, in that celibacy and monogamy resist bourgeois culture. Then again, these positions tend to fall in line with the Jesus camp, and nobody likes those bible-thumping hooligans.


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Ain't nobody's business..........

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[quote="Agent Equality"]I remember reading a thread Where Invader Zim on revleft told esperanza not to think of herself as being a gift for a man to take, but I think this premise of his was completely wrong.


My familiarity with the usual stances of both of these posters would suggest to me that you've probably taken this horribly out of context.

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ZeroNoWhere is one such who has a dislike for relationships for whatever bizarre reason that may be (love you :DDD) lol.


It's his sexual orientation, or should that be lack of one? I know some asexuals are actually capable of having and enjoying *** as well as masturbation, they just aren't sexually attracted to anyone, though ZeroNowhere seems to be on the extreme end of the asexuality spectrum, so in his case it probably doesn't matter.

Anyway I think your thrashing away at an enemy that doesn't really exist. Like S. Artesian said, nobody cares as long as it's consensual. The problem is that monogamy is currently perfectly legal and upheld as a moral standard by society while polygamy is outlawed and demonised pretty much.
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I'm monogamous and pretty much conservative (which doesn't mean that I support patriarchy) when it comes to relationships... Things you can read on revleft pretty much doesn't mean anything... but then again ain't nobody's business

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haha yeah. Though sometimes I still unconsciously censor myself thinking that the RL police are on my back. Also you can call people cunts. That's great because I think lots of people deserve to be called cunts. Not necessarily on this board, just in general.

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