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 Post subject: Re: reintroduction
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:24 pm 
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Ravachol wrote:
Weren't you in the 'Orthodox marxist' camp on RL or whatever?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Is it just me, or do the "revolutionary Marxists" give the impression of having read Dauve's "The 'Renegade' Kautsky and his Disciple Lenin", and mistaken it for an endorsement?
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Ravachol wrote:
Weren't you in the 'Orthodox marxist' camp on RL or whatever?
Was a few months ago. The user Grenzer and I have always sort of been peers and developed intellectually alongside each other by bouncing ideas off of each other. We both sort of got fed up with both their ideology (pan-leftism, parliamentary cretinism, mass party fetishism, ultra-voluntarism, etc.) and how they conduct themselves on revleft (i.e. recruitment drives, campaigns to get their own into BA positions, press-ganging newbies, etc.). He's something of a left communist/ultra-leftist now, although he doesn't really identify with any of the "official" orgs of the communist left. I think you know of him, he said some of the reading recommendations you and bmh gave him helped turn him away from voluntarism.

I sympathize with the ultra-left on a lot of things, but ultra-leftists probably wouldn't really accept me into their camp.

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Who do I know you as?


You might be familiar with the psudeonyms Panglossian/Beninist/Vincent Price is Dead or Louis Schifer, but you can just call me Lucifer.
So you're that guy that doesn't post at all on revleft, just hands out rep? How come you're not such a ballbuster on there?

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Ravachol wrote:
Weren't you in the 'Orthodox marxist' camp on RL or whatever?


Yeah, he was a loyal DNZite until he read DNZ´s odes to the Gulag.
Nah it started a bit before that.

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[quote="Ostrinski"] I sympathize with the ultra-left on a lot of things, but ultra-leftists probably wouldn't really accept me into their camp.


********! You're an Ultra-Left to me. Join the club, what do you support or uphold that would make ultra-lefts not accept you?
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[quote="Jas"][quote="Ostrinski"] I sympathize with the ultra-left on a lot of things, but ultra-leftists probably wouldn't really accept me into their camp.


********! You're an Ultra-Left to me. Join the club, what do you support or uphold that would make ultra-lefts not accept you?



I was wondering too why you're so sure ultra-leftists (whoever they are) wouldn't accept you into their camp, Ostrinkski But it's good that Jas wants you to join "the club". Which club would that be Jas? (just joking). I thought posters on this site were against joining any orgs?

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I don't think anyone here is against joining any orgs, the feeling would probably be more that orgs are small and irrelevant to class struggle, but they can serve a purpose to communists i.e. connecting communists and helping newer communists establish some theoretical footing or something. I'm also sure most posters here would have some form of criticism about most existing orgs, however.

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The only org you should join is redmarx 8-)


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red-marx should be a political organization.

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