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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:11 pm 
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On Trump:

If fascists were involved in his campaign from the beginning (they were), does that make Trump a fascist and this fascism? I don't think it does. It looks a lot like an unsophisticated, hollowed out, reality TV, redneck Peronism. Populism is still extremely dangerous because it represents instability/volatility. But that distinction changes everything, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:26 pm 
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I think Trump is a fascist that is unable to transition to fascism due to the present lack of capitalist crises.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:59 pm 
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I probably should've just called it 'vulgar Peronism'.

The absence of world fascism following the demise of the USSR and its European allies is something worth considering; that parliamentary democracy is the chosen form of the dictatorship of the capitalists.

I think the necessary conditions for the resumption of fascism (a revolutionary working-class movement that can't consolidate and defend state power after posing the question or be neutered with the typical 'law and order'-military-extrajudicial apparatus of the capitalist state) are completely absent.

That said, we are likely in for the coup d'grace of the New Deal labor relations regime when the SCOTUS is at full strength (another case that will overturn the Abood v. Detroit Board of Education decision is probably already in the works re Friedrichs v CTA), and with complete control of all levers of government, possibly a national right-to-work law, possibly passage of the long desired Freedom From Union Violence Act (making class violence a Federal crime again like the case involving Philadelphia ironworkers a few years ago) and a host of other likely outcomes that we already know are in the works or at the top of a lot of Republican lawmakers' wishlists right now. Plus Trump has already promised to reverse Obama's executive orders, some of which granted or extended workplace rights re Federal contractors etc.

As SA noted about ICE, punitive Federal immigration raids will likely not just return as a weapon against immigrants and primarily Hispanic workers but eclipse its GW Bush era policies and procedures (re Swift Raids). Legitimized fascist-white supremacist groups are already becoming far more visible and assertive in just the last year.

I do agree that we are in for another economic calamity, which will likely be hastened and deepened by the eclectic policies Trump ran on (similar to both Iceland and Ireland just a few years ago after 2008, but dumber and on a much larger scale).

I don't know if any of this fundamentally changes what we need to do, only the environment in which it happens.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:19 pm 
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I think perhaps the real issue with redmarx as a platform and what's being proposed in this thread is that it's not based on a real world group of people, but isolated individuals. We don't really have the power to be making actual demands for anything with the current platform we have. Perhaps if you can find a local group you can talk to people and bring them in, but I think that perhaps this is the contradiction facing redmarx that leads us to having multiple conversations in disorganization. It doesn't really help that we're tiny as well. Of course if we can get old members to come back that would help, but that depends on what we decide our best strategy going forward is.

I think we have to work to the strengths that the internet as a platform offers us if we do plan to organize and engage in the struggle and use this platform. We simply do not have the means to make "real world" demands or lead the proletariat, because our existence is not concrete in the sense that we can all meet up easily enough to actually struggle in the real world together. I suggest the following options for debate to try and figure out what the best way forward is for our community:

1. We join a larger marxist forum, if such a thing exists. I feel as though we're not really in a position to bring the farms to us or however the analogy that was made in the one thread goes. So we must go to the other farms that are already around. If none exist then we need to build a better farm ASAP.
2. We consolidate our efforts, get back as many members as possible and base our strategy on creating easily accessible educational materials for an audience that we decide most worthwhile to reach. The internet is a great tool for propaganda, so it's worth exploiting. I've mentioned many times my wishes to make youtube videos and easily accessible materials, I know other members want to write agitation pieces. We could create a wiki that scours the internet looking for the people who have already done this work and conslidate good knowledge in one place. Perhaps we could create a list of important concepts that are relavent that need to be broken down or explored and debate "What is to be discussed?". A weekly internet series that talks current events and breaks them down could work as well perhaps.
3. We focus our discussions on developing the consciousness of the currently existing members with the hopes that they reach out in their communities through local groups that can engage in the struggle, aka what's already happening.

But we're jumping the gun talking about tactics that we want to implement before we have an physical org to carry them out if you ask me. We need to be in the real world discussing the politics of revolution outside of the already thoroughly developed marxist headspace we have here and finding how we can explain to the working class who is seeking answers as to how trump could happen or explaining "how do I defend my community?". Of course this doesn't mean we stop talking amongst ourselves, but rather I'm saying we have a lot of people we need to bring into this conversation somehow, and they are *not* on the same page as us theoretically.

In fact, thinking about it now steps to doing this could be as follows:
1. Start a thread where we debate the topics of discussion we need to focus on
2. Find the reading material we need to create materials to present educationally or add to a wiki of sorts.
3. Coordinate on the best platforms to the skills of our members on spreading this material (someone take video, other take articles, yet another the dank memes or something, etc).

Otherwise I find it hard to talk about concrete actions to take when none of us are in the same room to take those actions, so instead I propose we create materials that help people understand the steps they can take to do them in their own communitites. We could also engage in debate with other internet figures having these conversations and direct people to our forums as a community to develop with. I realize that it's an important time to agitate and organize, but that probably will have to take place individually as each of us finds the best orgs that can get involved in our communities due to our separation by the net.

Let me know what you think and feel free to discuss why I'm wrong about talking tactics when we're not a physical org if you disagree. If members do know each other irl then nevermind because I'm pretty separated from the rest of y'all so I just figured we're not really a "real world" group.
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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
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I probably should've just called it 'vulgar Peronism'.


Exactly the words I used today discussing this with a friend.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
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I agree with a lot of SS's response, except on a few big points. If geographic isolation is a fact and one of the largest obstacles to real organization, we (isolated communists) ought to be confronting it by trying to work with it rather than denying it exists (it sounds like you agree on that), but not by substituting convenient local opportunities for activity--if they exist--for the kind of grounded, principled, concrete practice that we aspire to initiate or be a part of. Then again I may have misunderstood what you meant by finding local organizations to be involved with.

The internet is unfortunately the only connection many individuals have to the socialist movement in the current environment.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump, What is to be done, and Marxism as Praxis
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:12 pm 
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[quote="mhou"]I agree with a lot of SS's response, except on a few big points. If geographic isolation is a fact and one of the largest obstacles to real organization, we (isolated communists) ought to be confronting it by trying to work with it rather than denying it exists (it sounds like you agree on that), but not by substituting convenient local opportunities for activity--if they exist--for the kind of grounded, principled, concrete practice that we aspire to initiate or be a part of. Then again I may have misunderstood what you meant by finding local organizations to be involved with.

The internet is unfortunately the only connection many individuals have to the socialist movement in the current environment.


If we can find a way to confront this and resolve the geographic isolation, I would certainly be willing to consider it. That said, we're a small group with no money and organizing meetups across the globe is not a cheap task by any means. So my alternative idea that I'm trying to work out is if members can get involved in local groups or build their own (but not unnecessarily if orgs exist already that align with our aims and disciplines) and come back to us here to fill us in, educate themselves, get those members who are willing to participate here to join, etc sort of thing. This can still serve as a connection point for different movements, but I don't particularly see it as very practical for redmarx in its current state to actually form a physical organization of its own as the material conditions are not there yet for us to do so. Unless, like I said, there are other comrades on here who already know each other IRL and want to meet up, then by all means use the platform for that.

Admittedly I'm trying to work this out as we go and like I said, those are all proposals that I think we might want to consider and I would like to debate further. I definitely think our strongest point would be to become a mecca of well-organized Marxist education and theoretical/practical discussion though, given the information nature of the internet. If others agree I'll get to making a topic where we can develop that plan of action further and compile ****.

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