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 Post subject: Camatte on Simple Commodity Production
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 1:17 pm 
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Some quotes from Camatte:

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Marx wished to demonstrate the validity of the law of value, even when the capitalist mode of production is developed, by writing the critique of political economy. This does not mean that he thought that the law would always be the same, especially as this would be to make it eternal. We have already dealt with this question in this text on the Results now we would merely care to add that Engels, in his supplement to Capital Volume III, did not truely understand Marx's theoretical behaviour on the law of value.

"To sum up, Marx's law of value applies universally, as much as any economic laws do apply, for the entire period of simple commodity production, i.e. up to the time that this undergoes a modification by the onset of the capitalist form of production." (Capital III p. 1037)

In fact it is Ricardo's law which is valid, with the specification that Marx gave this law all its validity by explaining wages: the worker sells his labour power and not his labour. This is exactly what provides the basis for understanding how the law of value operates in the capitalist mode of production. The later modification is, if you like, at a microeconomic level: at the level of each individual enterprise, it seems that the law of value does not work. However, it can be said that it is operative in a larger sense; to begin with, the price of production of a given productive unit, which can differ from the value (surplus-value not equalling profit), is in fact determined by capital as the totality of various capitals; besides, on the social level (macro-economic level) the sum of profits equals the sum of surplus-value, that of prices of production equals that of values. Thus for Marx the law of value still operated.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/camatt ... m/ch02.htm

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The state appeared in its pure form, with the power of the general equivalent, at the time of the growth of the law of value in the period of simple commodity production.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/camatte ... on-org.htm

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It is enough to restrict ourselves to the period of simple commodity production and capitalism. With the first, the feudal community is destroyed, even if its vestiges can linger on (it is rare to find pure forms). We are confronted by individuals separated by the labour process and who produce independently of each other, dominated by the autonomy of exchange-value:

"It is firstly in gold, certainly in the most abstract, therefore the most meaningless and inconceivable form - a form in which every mediation is suspended - that the transformation of the reciprocal social relations appear in a fixed, overwhelming social relation, subsuming the individual. And certainly the phenomenon is firmer as it comes out of the presupposition of free, arbitrary, atomistic private persons who are related in production only through reciprocal needs." (ibid. p. 928)

In fact it is in the period of simple commodity production that the bases of liberty and equality are created, since it is in this period that the law of value manifests itself in all its purity: freedom to exchange commodities, free trade, without which the commodities could not confront each other, and hence would have no possibility of realizing value in the centre of the exchange process; equality, since only commodities that contain equal quanta of labour can be equivalent. The bourgeois revolution has done nothing other than generalize these facts, since the historical mission of the bourgeoisie was to set up capitalism which, in the first instance, was simply the generalization of commodity production, and later its domination and submission to the law of value[4].

http://www.marxists.org/archive/camatte/capcom/ch06.htm

Also Rubin wrote that commodity fetishism and the the law of value exists in SCP:

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"Reification" or fetishization of working relations; production relations expressed in the value of products; equality among commodity producers as economic agents; the role of value in the distribution of labor among the different branches of production - this whole chain of phenomena, which was not adequately examined by Marx's critics and was elucidated by Marx's theory of value, refers equally to a simple commodity economy and to a capitalist economy.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/rubin/value/ch11.htm

Pashukanis stresses the need the distinguish SCP and capitalist production:
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Especially beyond question is Stuchka’s statement that the will of the commodity owner under simple commodity production, and the will of the capitalist commodity owner, are qualitatively different wills, although in transactions of purchase and sale they project an identical formal appearance. The direction of will in one case is expressed by the economic formula C-M-C, and in the other case by the formula M-C-M-+i. The central importance of this distinction is very clearly revealed for us in connection with the recent intra-Party discussion when we had to struggle against the uncritical usage of the term “private enterprise” and demonstrate the necessity for a strict distinction between capitalist production on the one hand and simple commodity production, i.e. peasant farming, on the other.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/pashuka ... theory.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Camatte on Simple Commodity Production
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This article also defends the traditional view of simple commodity production (in earlier discussion on libcom I in fact have similarly interpreted for example that passage on Torrens): https://libcom.org/library/law-value-un ... -dunaevsky

The critique focuses on chapter 18 in Rubin's Essays on Marx's theory of value.

I found the criticism that Dunaevsky makes of Rubin also in a couple of other articles (in the Communist Academy journal). It seems pretty solid critique.

Incidentally, I also learned that the first critic of Rubin was a certain Sokrat Gevorkyan (1903–38), supposedly a brilliant guy in economics, but it wasn't published.

Сократ Геворкьян Аванесович, joined the party in 1917, brilliant expert of theoretical economy, organiser of illegal (Trotskyist) opposition 1926-27, exiled in 1928, in 1929 locked in Upper-Ural isolator up to 1934, again imprisoned in 1935.

source: Opposition Bulletin nr. 51, 1936 (in Russian):
http://www.1917.com/Marxism/Trotsky/BO/ ... /Main.html


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Gevorkian's speech in Vorkuta concentration camp translated here;

http://www.marxist.com/trotskyists-stal ... orkuta.htm


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