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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:47 am 
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Tim Finnegan wrote:
The aesthetic objection tends to follow homophobia rather than cause it. People don't like have a problem with homosexuality with gays because they think it's gross, they think it's gross because they have a problem with gays.


Of course.

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When you get down to it, sexual activity that doesn't interest you shouldn't be gross (or at least not beyond a general body-horror level, and if you get that you should get it for all ***, it's just a case of arousal drowning it out), it should mostly just be boring. If you've actually managed to make it interesting again, that's because you're reading some new emotional meaning into it.


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Or maybe Woody Allen is right, all *** is gross. "Unlike ***, after dying you don't feel nauseous," he said.

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[quote="S.Artesian"]Or maybe Woody Allen is right, all *** is gross. "Unlike ***, after dying you don't feel nauseous," he said.


*** is gross.
Try watching porn after you're done.
Woody Allen is not right though, because that Paris film was lame.
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Creep wrote:
I do not know if that story is true, never heard it before so maybe some source?
Now, although I would love to talk about homosexuality in the USSR, I don't think that is what this thread is about. Rather, what is the attitude of today's communists towards homosexuality? As the person that wrote the post was saying that there was homophobia in Hoxhaist and Maoist groups. That's not what I have experiencex with those groups, the contrary actually.


Mike Ely and plenty of the Kasama crew finally ditched Bobby Avakian's cult (which is one of the biggest hubs of U.S. Maoism historically), precisely over their political homophobia.

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When someone says he is a marxist i think of him as a reasonable individual. One who tends to create a world free of exploitation without countries or money. Only leftists without any prejudice can imagine a world like this. Only people who love other people and CAN live in peace with them and prosper together can imagine a world like this. Nationalists, right-wing religious and other conservatives live in prejudice and hatred for those who are different, and cannot imagine a world without laws or rules by which they can impose their will upon others or protect their "sacred traditional values". A man that hates another man for being different can never live in peace with him or even comprehend the fact that they are equal. That is why i find homophobia and marxism incompatible. If we want to create a society of prosperity and equality we cannot tend to hatred of those who live different than us and do not endanger our freedom in any way with their way of life.


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Eh, most Marxists I've met have been pains in the arse. So very convinced that they have some privileged access to Truth, when all they have is a lot of shitty sub-Kautskyism.


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[quote="Jas"]All in all I fail to see why it should matter who you sleep with. I don't really know why people care. I honestly don't care about the research, because it makesit seem as if you have a disease for not being concretely straight.




I don't think people do care all that very much. But the bourgeoisie want people to care because it's a distraction. If you're pre-occupied worrying what the gays are up to, and how to stop it, you will have less time available to worry about the economy, exploitative society, how we need a revolution and so on. Of course, the bourgeoisie are changing their tune now. Today you're not supposed to get too upset about the gays and their disgusting habits, and how they actually do it, but devote your time instead to wondering whether they should actually be allowed to get married (oh wow! what a mockery!) and, even more so, in the UK now, are they to be allowed to get married in Church (oh ****! what's the world coming to?). This gives society, such as it is, two bones to gnaw at: (1) the spoilation of marriage by fucking queers who cant even have babies to justify sexual pleasure, and will thus sort of be getting something for nothing - not allowed under capitalism and (2) the desecration of Holy Mother Church by the bringing into the pure light of day, or should it be the dim religious gloom, the sanctification of the type of disgusting behavior previously thought to be a special prerogative of priestly persons able to keep it quiet and out of the public domain, and giving it Apostolic or other Godly approval by marriage at the altar!

It starts to look like the bourgeoisie will do anything these days to distract from the collapse of their economic system, even stooping to ***** marriages in church. It's no wonder the world is ending later this month. Or is it on Wednesday? Must check!

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Tim Finnegan wrote:
Eh, most Marxists I've met have been pains in the arse. So very convinced that they have some privileged access to Truth, when all they have is a lot of shitty sub-Kautskyism.



You don't have to be a Marxist to be a pain in the arse Tim, though Marxists aren't excluded. But when it comes to your claim that Marxists are convinced they have a privileged access to truth...I wonder why you think this? Surely many of them believe rightly that all they have is an access to Marxist thought - available to all, it isn't a privilege - and that Marxism offers the possibility of seeing the world in a way not offered by the dominant bourgeoisie. If you want to call that way of looking at the world TRUTH, then its up to you. As to "shitty sub-Kautskyism" we'll I don't know what that is. But it's a grand-sounding way of finishing off a post Tim.


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Karim Strelnikov wrote:
Just to complete the figure.
Bordiga's view over homoxuality was too very wrong. He thought homoxeuality was a product of decandent capitalist society and mistreatment.
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What's the Bordiga text in question?
I just found this;
"Avec vos conclusions qui ont tant ému les amateurs de nouveautés de dernière heure, vous pouvez retourner à cent ans en arrière, au moins, Messieurs du XXème Congrès! Vos dernières trouvailles, la coexistence, l'émulation, la compétition qui, dans une entente homosexuelle avec le reste du capitalisme voudraient arrêter la féconde et vivante histoire, ne méritent qu'une chose: c'est d'être exposées au pilori avec toutes les idéologies rétrogrades." http://www.sinistra.net/lib/bas/progra/ ... cucof.html

Meaning the USSR's relation to the west is homosexual, because they are similar systems. Nothing homophobic AFAICS.

Regarding that Engels 1869 letter to Marx, the context is the German workers movement, i.e. his struggle against J.B. Schweitzer. It is unclear what Engels is referring to exactly (but he's unhappy with Liebknecht). It's a fairly important episode in labour history I guess in itself, but all that the letter seems to be remembered for is the remark on gay rights (an advocate for which Engels just mocked for his pretentious tone).

Das also ist Wilhelms ganzer Erfolg, daß die mannweibliche und
ganzweibliche Linie der Lassalleaner sich vereinigt haben!
Da hat er was Rechtes herausgekriegt. Natürlich wird Schweitzer]
wiedergewählt - bei der Überstürzung, mit der die Sache betrieben
wird -, und dann ist er wieder der Erwählte des allgemeinen
Stimmrechts. Wilh[elm] beobachtet auch ein hartnäckiges Schweigen
über dies Ereignis.

http://www.dearchiv.de/php/dok.php?arch ... enu=mewinh

So who were the "man-womanly" and "all-womanly" factions among the Lassalleans?

edit Answer; Mende’s group was called the ‘‘all-female’’ line because it was under the influence of Sophie von Hatzfeldt; Schweitzer, of course, was the ‘‘male-female."
http://www.marxmail.org/schweitzer.pdf

(fwiw I think this homophobia claim for Marx is about as strong as the claim that he was an anti-semite)


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