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 Post subject: Persecution of the Bourgeoisie
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:26 am 
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So when the revolution is over, and all is said and done, and the socialist idea is acted upon... what shall we do with our vanquished capitalist ex-masters?
If you know me, then my methods would be 'Open Hanoi Hiltons everywhere, send 'em there'. But I'm curious as to what other, potentially less violent methods would be?
Some thinkers (as in, almost everyone else) proclaim that since class is a distinction that ends with the closing of global revolution, "punishment" should be limited to those that have actually done wrong (such as perpetuate war and whatnot) and not extend to others (i.e. family at large). The more extreme merely advocate targeted oppression, such as them receiving far less rations/income than the working class. Some say that seeing them weep at the sight of their capital empires fall is enough.
I will call "********, kill them all, men women and children alike", but I digress...

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 Post subject: Re: Persecution of the Bourgeoisie
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WTF is this nonsense, and what is this nonsense doing in "theory"?

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I don't ever like questions of "what should we do" because that implies we have some of control over the situation, and if Marxism teaches us anything it should teach us that an incredibly small minority with no social power (communists) isn't going to be influencing any social actions.

It's out of our hands.

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 Post subject: Re: Persecution of the Bourgeoisie
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'When all is said and done' there will be no bourgeoisie to persecute and the social context in which they held clout will have been obliterated so there will be nothing to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Persecution of the Bourgeoisie
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TFM wrote:
hey go easy on the new guy. try providing a constructive response.

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That is a constructive response to such nonsense.

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 Post subject: Re: Persecution of the Bourgeoisie
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The worst "punishment" is destroying their capital and rendering their wealth meaningless. To think that labor camps and prisons would need to be opened up is ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: Persecution of the Bourgeoisie
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In addition to what Broletariat and Zanthorus have said, I think this paints the proletarian revolution as some kind of revenge project as opposed to a conclusive neutralization of class society's contradictions.

OP is inconvenienced by the fact that s/he can't guarantee that the proletariat will share their megalomania and anti-social urges.

Besides, I'd like to think communism will toss out such antiquated and retrograde concepts as punishment and retributive justice along with the rest of the trash.

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 Post subject: Re: Persecution of the Bourgeoisie
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Hanoi Hiltons? So, uh, the revolution is going to keep some prison complexes in good standing then? Who are we going to get to do the torturing though, we might need to bring in some CIA advisers, perhaps.

Anyway, intriguing as the idea is, I think I'll pass.

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We are hoping to build a new society. Our project/purpose is not to punish the bourgeoisie, but to render them harmless. Those that resist the changes might appropriately get a dose of red terror -- but only if they engage in counterrevolutionary activity. We need to defend the revolution -- but bloodthirsty revenge has no place.


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"Dose of red terror"

Jesus fucking christ I'm done with the internet.

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