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 Post subject: Re: Information Warfare
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:05 am 
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Communist Confession of Faith wrote:
We are convinced not only of the uselessness but even of the harmfulness of all conspiracies. We are also aware that revolutions are not made deliberately and arbitrarily but that everywhere and at all times they are the necessary consequence of circumstances which are not in any way whatever dependent either on the will or on the leadership of individual parties or of whole classes. But we also see that the development of the proletariat in almost all countries of the world is forcibly repressed by the possessing classes and that thus a revolution is being forcibly worked for by the opponents of communism. If, in the end, the oppressed proletariat is thus driven into a revolution, then we will defend the cause of the proletariat just as well by our deeds as now by our words.

This thread seems to be part of the wider question of praxis. Knowing full well that substitutionism and proselytisation have gotten communism precisely nowhere, in my perhaps unrefined view communist activity means (cringe incoming) building the party; that is, strengthening the bonds that hold the political community of the proletariat together. Steadily these bonds are weakening and the proletariat is becoming atomised, but the consolidation of the various proletarian struggles might perhaps reverse this effect, and so the tendency for the class to act in solidarity (rather than as atomised parts of the whole) against bourgeois reaction and rapprochement might increase too.

Of course, one may even take the above quote even more literally and conclude that communists cannot even have a role to play in class struggle's mere catalysis. That would suck. I hope that isn't the case.

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Tablo wrote:
Sure unrest will be created from the internal contradictions of capitalism, but what will be the result?

Manifesto of the Communist Party wrote:
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

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Tablo wrote:
I don't see what is wrong with wanting to further class conscious ideology.

It's a dead-end. Consciousness is a symptom of experience, not vice versa. The prospects for revolution are wholly independent of ideological dissemination.

I would prefer a more fleshed out explanation. It seems most decent Marxists do not see socialism as inevitable and buy into the idea that we will face 'socialism or barbarism'. Anyone can quote texts without any historical context attached. The world we live in and the world we are moving towards is radically different and I don't think it is wise to dismiss concerns around information. Perhaps my view on this issue is biased by my infatuation with technology, but even taking into account extreme bias on my part I still think that we are heading in this direction. Of course my own views will always be tainted with a personal bias. What I am saying is I would prefer a more nuanced and academic discussion around information warfare. So please, express what insight you may have on the issue. I'm not saying older texts are irrelevant, but I think we should be more critical of their conclusions based on modern circumstances. So please, if you are able, enlighten me with the logical train of thought that leads to these conclusions. I don't deny that material conditions are the primary driver behind thought, but I do not think they are the only influence and think that information online may be playing an increasingly important role.

Of course my views are primarily speculation I have gathered from my own time online. Somewhat long by global standards I've been an active 'netizen' for about 10 years. Used it longer than that less seriously. The past few years I've spent about 10-14 hours a day online. Not that these provide any significant evidence of my viewpoints being more valid, but I think understanding how I and a large number of other people use the internet as their primary social outlet is useful.


Perhaps I should add that information warfare is not just about the spread of ideas, but also about the sabotage of opposition viewpoints.


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 Post subject: Re: Information Warfare
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:23 am 
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TFM wrote:
Tablo wrote:
I don't see what is wrong with wanting to further class conscious ideology.

It's a dead-end. Consciousness is a symptom of experience, not vice versa. The prospects for revolution are wholly independent of ideological dissemination.

But exposure to ideas is an experience in itself, our senses are just inputs to our brains this is why we get emotional from experiencing some media as our brain is reacting to the media it is experiencing. Thus exposure to ideas effects the output our brain produces for given inputs, this is why the bourgeoisie bothers to propagate its own ideas.


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