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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:25 pm 
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Hey all, class struggle anarchist here. I recently heard of these forums via revleft (ironically) and thought I'd make an account, especially seeing as the BA on that site seem to be so vehemently against it for some reason. Whatever. Anyways, my name is Sky. Nice to meet you all!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:28 pm 
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Hey mate, nice to have you aboard, you can browse through our revleft archive paying attention to the dates that posts were made to get a rough idea of what went down between our two webforums, or you could ask or whatever if you're curious.

I think a lot of users here originally would have identified as Anarchists but now most of us consider ourselves Marxists and such.

I know I started as identifying as an Anarchist, what are your reservations to calling yourself a Marxist specifically?

Also, great username and obligatory do you lift.

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Yes, good username. Activity has been down a bit recently but we tend to go through cycles.

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To reply to the earlier comment, I generally agree with most Marxian analysis on various things. The only reason that I don't consider myself to be entirely Marxist is that I tend to agree with Bakunin's criticisms of Marx in terms of the need for a state.


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Do you have an AIM account? We have sort of a AIM redmarx chatroom type thing or something.

I think to respond to the idea of a State you can view these topics.

what-is-meant-by-the-party-t111.html
the-dictatorship-of-the-proletariat-as-a-state-t964.html

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An interesting interpretation. I should note that I'm not opposed to the revolution being carried out in non-anarchist (but libertarian socialist) methods should other movements like De Leonism, Left Communism, etc. gain enough popularity coinciding with a drastic enough increase in class consciousness for this to be possible. I certainly think that what you suggest in terms of DOTP is plausible, however I still tend to prefer anarchism as opposed to this. The reason for that is as follows: you stated in the post you linked that you think DOTP will work as a mechanism for bringing about socialist revolution. While this may be true, I don't think that the material conditions needed in modern to bring about enough class consciousness are really predictable at all given the large number of variables affecting them. So while DOTP might bring about this change, it might also fail as other state mechanisms meant for bringing about socialism have in the past. I won't speculate on how likely this success or failure is, because again, I think it's impossible to know given the vast number of variables that it would depend on. While anarchy could also fail if certain mistakes were made, I don't think that this failure would be as severe as a failure of a DOTP state apparatus, as systems such as open source ecology, for example, might make the movement harder to destroy in my opinion. I could go on with the typical anarchist argument about how DOTP would mean elevated authority within a state and how power corrupts and whatnot but I think most people have already heard that, so I'll spare you. But yes, I think that your ideas are plausible; for me it's just a matter of what the consequences of a failure might be in modern society and how it might be avoided under an anarchist system vs. under a Marxist system.

As for AIM, I believe I do have an account although I don't use it very awesome. The group chat thing sounds neat though so I'll definitely have to try to figure out my login info and check it out. Thanks for the link to that and I look forward to future discussions on the forum.


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See employer destroyer, you're confusing the DOTP with some specific mechanism.

Marxists just refer to the DOTP to mean the political expression of working class interests, nothing more nothing less.

my aim is whichthatisnt, hit me up if you figure your stuff out.

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Ahh alright, in that case sorry for the misinterpretation, I'm just used to DOTP typically involving a state that is supposed to act in the interest of the proletariat.

It's pretty late here now but I'll to figure stuff out on AIM tomorrow and will hit you up once I do.


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Yea no worries, over here we're actual Marxists so its a little different.

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Hi Employer Destroyer, good to see that you made it here in the end.

As you can see, CoR's attempt to deceive everyone that I was talking about Stormfront when I referred to 'the forum that is not to be named' is somewhat wide of the mark.

Hope you enjoy the discussions on the nature of the DotP, it's certainly something I'm persuing at the moment (as you might have noticed from RevLeft of course).


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