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 Post subject: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:21 pm 
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Programme of the Communist Party of Red-Marx [Very Rough Draft]:
1. The completely unrevolutionary period we live in means that the revolutionary party(or any for that matter) is completely unnecessary, Therefore the CPRM was born

2. The CPRM is not the vanguard of the Proletariat, nor representative of the class

3. The CPRM fully adheres to a variety of currents in the realm of Ultra-Leftism and other Marxist Tendencies. We do recognize the need to exercise Juche style discipline over members who become sympathetic to nascent ideologies (Democracy, Capitalism, Pol-Potism, Fascism, Juche Idea, Jim Jonesism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc).

4. Also we hope this party, will transform Red-Marx into the first online political organizations and reign supreme over the Left Communist tendency, as a force that unites the tendency

5. The CPRM does not recognize itself as a formal party and therefore does not operate as one

6. We are a study group, every member must strive to be a Marx nerd

7. The CPRM organizes itself organically and therefore strongly discourages any form of democracy within the party. Every member must adhere to our unelected admins.

8. The writer of this programme was bored

9. The CPRM stands for the destruction of the formal left (defined in #3) therefore, we must stand strong against any and all united fronts, popular fronts etc, because they are inherently Anti-Proletarian and opportunist.

10. The CPRM hopes that the revolution will be televised

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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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I am in. This puts me on the CC, right?

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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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This is like, a joke right? One of those pranks you play on members of a forum to get giggles out of it?
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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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This is like, a joke right? One of those pranks you play on members of a forum to get giggles out of it?


How dare you insult the Revolutionary Vanguard of the People!

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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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Jas wrote:
2. The CPRM is not the vanguard of the Proletariat, nor representative of the class

Objection. I'm the vanguard of the proletariat, you can speak for yourself.

Jas wrote:
3. The CPRM fully adheres to a variety of currents in the realm of Ultra-Leftism and other Marxist Tendencies. We do recognize the need to exercise Juche style discipline over members who become sympathetic to nascent ideologies (Democracy, Capitalism, Pol-Potism, Fascism, Juche Idea, Jim Jonesism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc).

I'm not sure that 'ultra-leftism' is a real tendency. For that matter, I'm not sure that 'left communism' is a real tendency rather than a past historical movement, although it has a greater claim to the title.

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4. Also we hope this party, will transform Red-Marx into the first online political organizations and reign supreme over the Left Communist tendency, as a force that unites the tendency

Objection. This contradicts (3), which states that RM is not constricted to 'left communists,' and hence cannot, properly speaking, 'unite the tendency.' Further, I have no inclination towards being a sheepherder for the ICC. Given that, "as the water is the natural element of fish, so sin is the proper and natural element for an unconverted soul [...] take the fish out of the water, it cannot live; and take from a natural man his idols, he is ready to say with Micah, Ye have taken away my gods, and what have I more? The young man in the gospel could not be persuaded to seek after treasure in heaven, and lay by the world. It is in sin that the only delight of natural men is; but in holiness they have no more delight than a fish upon the earth, or a sow in a palace," it would perhaps be best not to expect these individuals to attain to such an exalted state immediately, and perhaps they should rather be encouraged to take up a higher belief system than theirs which has not yet attained to our level, such as Christianity, and thereby take on the respective shepherd of this religion, rather than relying on us before they are ready.

To elaborate on the former contention, the phrasing, 'reign supreme over [...] as a force that unites the tendency' combines unification imagery with that of ruling, hence giving us a role of ruling over and ordering, whereas in reality the nature of the rulers are constrained by the nature of the ruled, and as such it would be best that they be allowed to ascend up Diotima's ladder to a higher level without confronting them with a level of the Good which they have "nor ear, nor soul to apprehend." By allowing them Christ as a shepherd which they shall be able to comprehend, if not without struggle, we shall prepare them for the ultimate ascension to viewing the Form of Marx in its highest glory.

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6. We are a study group, every member must strive to be a Marx nerd

Objection. There is no such thing as a 'Marx nerd.'

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7. The CPRM organizes itself organically and therefore strongly discourages any form of democracy within the party. Every member must adhere to our unelected admins.

But then who must the Admins obey? You seem to be on the right track, and I approve of this rule, but nonetheless it does not seem to go far enough. Ultimately, the Admins have authority vested in them only insofar as they serve as mediators of Marx. This is why we encourage the state of clerical celibacy, for, "The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." We pledge ourselves to the exclusive service of Marx, in a prevailing spirit of dogmatism and exclusivity, and therefore abstain from eclecticism and from the affirmation of the consumptive modes of enjoyment of the present world. In this singular devotion, the Adminship thereby takes on an eschatological significance, displaying a mode of existence which both supercedes and stands in opposition to that of the modern world, displaying the truth of the proletarian viewpoint to which the mass proletariat shall attain in the heat of revolution.

As it is written, "It is the duty of the consecrated life to show that [communism] is the eschatological goal towards which all things tend, the splendour before which every other light pales, and the infinite beauty which alone can fully satisfy the human heart." By displaying a form of enjoyment quite out of keeping with the competitive enjoyment of the modern age, and further not regressing to previous, collectivist forms, but superseding modernity, the Adminship is an unflinching sign of the transient and limited nature of the capitalist world, which can and must be superceded; this, in turn, is allowed by the deliverance granted to us by the complete negativity of the proletariat, culminating in the descent of Marx to earth, which has shown that the modern age is insufficient and provided us with both a criticism of its paradigm and a higher one capable of looking on it from above (a 'purely critical' viewpoint does not exist; one does not critique from a vacuum, but, as Hegel showeth, from a higher viewpoint.) While it is true that this viewpoint is still limited, that it is simply an eschatological sign and that, "Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding, he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he," nonetheless it remains the case that it points towards and partakes of a higher state, and thus shows its possibility, just as the revolution of the proletariat ('communism' in the 1844 manuscripts) contains communism implicitly, and more explicitly the more developed it becomes - it is not merely 'against,' or, 'critical,' but has its positive aspect which is just as necessary a part of it. Marx does not simply criticise capitalism from a neutral, 'scientific' perspective, but from the start identifies it with commodity fetishism and alienation, hence taking up a human perspective, and the highest perspective of the revolutionary proletariat.

The Adminship, then, are to take up a process not only of renunciation of that which stands below Marx, of the filth of present society, but through this a positive one, developing a form of individuality and enjoyment with an eschatological dimension, above the consumptive enjoyment and competitive individuality of the present world. While this process is by no means complete, and indeed not an adequate description of the current state of the Adminship, nonetheless it is the principle which the Adminship represents, and the tendency towards this ideal is precisely what justifies the rule of the Adminship. Some may fail to climb the mountain, and fall off, but nonetheless others will succeed, and what is important is that the climbing continues. For, as Marx's predecessor said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" This is the true principle which must justify the Adminship, that the rule of Law may be replaced with the law of faith, and not present the Adminship as simply an infallible group in itself. The Adminship are simply those who have received the calling, and thus must stand as mediators over the laity.

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8. The writer of this programme was bored

You both seem never to escape the sense of boredom, and yet at the same time proclaim productive activities and those leading to growth excessive labour. This is a curious dilemma, and one well worth considering. The barriers to taking up activities are rarely what we think they are, and may well be in the mind rather than in the activity itself.

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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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Uh oh, Party Split! CPRM(Faction Zero)

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I am not splitting, I am being correct.

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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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Thanks for the additions to the programme, the CPRM grows every day!

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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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The following has been approved by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Red-Marx:

Programme of the Communist Party of Red-Marx (Official):
1. The completely unrevolutionary period we live in means that the revolutionary party(or any for that matter) is completely unnecessary. Thus, the CPRM was born.

2. The CPRM is the vanguard of the Proletariat and is fully representative of the class.

3. The CPRM fully adheres to Juche-Jim Jone's Thought.

4.We hope this party, will transform Red-Marx into the first online political organizations and reign supreme over the Proletarian movement.

5. The CPRM does not recognize itself as a formal party and therefore does not operate as one.

6. We are a study group, every member must strive to learn Marxology to the fullest extent possible.

7. The CPRM organizes itself organically and therefore strongly discourages any form of democracy within the party. Every member must adhere to our unelected admins because all admins have been blessed by Omnipotent powers that allow them to lead the Proletariat.

8. The writer of this programme faced extreme danger in writing for such a revolutionary party.

9. The CPRM stands for a united Left therefore, we must participate in any and all united fronts, popular fronts etc, because they are inherently Proletarian and non-opportunist.

10. The CPRM holds that Chairman Broletariet is the Eternal Leader of people.

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 Post subject: Re: From the Depths, the Communist Party of Red-Marx is Born
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The following has been approved by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Red-Marx:

We are quite pleased to announce that CPRM membership has surpassed 5 members! We are glad to see that we are well on our way to building the Mass Party.

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