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 Post subject: Re: Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 reading gro
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The opening of the first section we're on this time around starts by highlighting the dual nature between worker and capital. The worker is dehumanised because his/her human characteristics are transferred to capital. Capital is the objective side of the relation and labour is the subjective side, but capital appears to take on a life of its own because it appropriates the life of the worker thus turning the worker into an object. The two sides of the relation require each other, naturally, but capital, as has already been pointed out, can 'hold out' without labour longer than the worker can 'hold out' without capital. Because of this fact, political economists pay as little mind to unemployed workers as they do to land not used for agricultural production; these things simply do not come in to the orbit of human production and thus human life. Additionally, they correctly recognise the relationship between wages and profit, that profit suffers when wages go up and vice versa.

Marx here also points out that the labour-process itself alters the consciousness of those involved, machine-like labour that is repetitive and dull will create dull unintelligent human beings.

We talk a little about crisis in capitalism when we reference the fact that capital is indifferent to what its 'real' content is. This indifference stands at the root of capitalist crisis, capital wishes to endlessly expand, but faces natural physical barriers.

Most of this section, however, is dedicated to eroding the distinction between agricultural and industrial capital. There is, of course, as little difference between the two industries as between a shoe manufacturer and a computer manufacturer. But at the time Marx was writing, feudalism was still clinging on for dear life, trying to distinguish landed property from the upstart industrial capitalists.

I found the second section far more interesting. In it, Marx tracing an ideological history that underpins the real history of capitalist development, from mercantile obsession with gold, to physiocratic focus on agriculture, to the more highly developed understanding that all industry, and thus all labour, is productive. The big leap, however, takes place from identifying gold as being the sole and natural incarnation of value, to identifying an industry, in this case agriculture, as being the only thing capable of producing wealth. This leap requires that value cease being something completely external to humans, and brings humans far more intimately into the process of value creation. The entire goal of human labour from this point forward is to create value. Not value for the worker, of course, but value to augment capital. Production of humans as commodities, with all their human characteristics stripped from them and attributed to capital, and the capitalist who is merely capital personified, becomes the animating force behind all forms of production.

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 Post subject: Re: Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 reading gro
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In these two sections, Marx reminds us that the laborer is in essence, living capital, a commodity whose productive powers are put to use to build wealth for the capitalist. He reminds us of the fact that the worker’s livelihood is inseparable from capital, because the worker is capital yet capital is something alien to the worker. “Capital is man wholly lost to himself,” a good statement to describe capital’s relationship to humanity.

Since humanity has essentially been commodified in the form of capital, an alien form of labor, Marx explains that the object of production cannot be distinguished by natural or social importance in capitalism. One form of capital that produces wealth is as good as another that produces the same amount of wealth. It is therefore the result that the importance of social status can collapse when when capital is empowered in a society based on private property. With this in mind, Marx goes on to analyse the historical transformation of feudal society into a capitalist one.

In pointing out that in addition to the object of production losing its natural and social importance to capital, Marx also establishes that things such as rent, wages and profit are rooted in the contradiction between labor and capital. There came a point when the landlord’s (feudal lords) social rank became challenged by the movement of freed capital leaving their lands, and their lands becoming nothing more than its rent, its money value. Essentially the social importance of their political rule lost its relevance in the wake of the advancement of capital, which is rooted in the historical movement of labor, which freed itself from slavery and serfdom. They still maintained power, but in the same capitalist form that was emerging in the cities, serfs, became tenant farmers, lords became captains of industry, the lord’s rule over the serfs was replaced by landlords charging rent to farmers.

Marx goes on to point out that the conflict between agriculture and industry reveals the true nature of their rule, which should be understood as only through the enslavement of labor through private property in the form of wages and rent. In the conflict among each section of the ruling class, one points out the the true nature of capitalism in attacking the other capitalist. Flash forward to today, one might find similar drama between capitalists whose industry is directly dependent upon fossil fuels (dominated by the right wing) and the burgeoning “tech” and finance sectors who are more or less aligned with the left wing of capital. Though they are both intimately involved with one another, tech industry relies on fossil fuels and finance is tied up with both tech and fossil fuels, they will try to dominate each other in parliamentary battles.


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 Post subject: Re: Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 reading gro
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Antithesis of Capital and Labour. Landed Property and Capital

I found it best to summarize relationships between workers and capital in a diagram displayed below:


http://i.imgur.com/3ayBaoT.png

The man loses himself under a capitalist society because he is estranged from human qualities. Those human qualities are placed in his labor, which doesn’t belong to him. Therefore, the man becomes a worker and must remain a worker lest he wishes to starve to death. He becomes living capital that follows the same rules of supply and demand as capital and becomes just a simple commodity. The worker produces the capital via his labor being estranged from him and capital produces him by providing the ability to satisfy the worker’s needs to eat, get shelter, and etc. The section of people that are expelled from the production process are the unemployed workers, beggars, and homeless people who do not participate in this labor relationship outlined above. The workers that participate in this labor relationship are forced to seek wages to maintain himself and his family, so the race of workers doesn’t die out and his wages become something similar to the cost of maintaining a machine. The production process makes workers into a commodity, but even though wages are paid to maintain these workers; the real purpose of production is to make profit. It is the constant struggle of the worker to get wages while the capitalist tries to take advantage of the worker, this is the antagonistic relationship that exists and it is considered to the normal relationship that should exist between the two.

Private property is related to labor and capital. Human activity is produced as labor, which becomes capital. All the social and natural characteristics are irrelevant to capital. Therefore, it does not matter if the object was made in China or in Mexico, the object will have the same value since the social and natural characteristics of where and how it was made are irrelevant. The social and natural characteristics of objects were important in the feudal system in which the lands would serve one king, so there were political ties to the land. When the shift from feudal system to the capitalists system, the political economist exposed the landowners had conflicting interests with society. The same way capitalists have conflicting interest with workers. The serf that served the landowners left them to work in the cities as illustrated by the quote below:

Marx wrote:
mindful of their contrasting origin, of their line of descent, the landowner knows the capitalist as his insolent, liberated, enriched slave of yesterday and sees himself as a capitalist who is threatened by him. The capitalist knows the landowner as the idle, cruel, egotistical master of yesterday


Marx talks about an ironic exchange between landowner and capitalist. The landowner believes he has political influence, noble lineage, and agriculture is the only way to be productive. On the other hand, capitalist believe industry is the way of progress and the landowner is a “parasitic grain-profiteer” who only impedes the growth of the nation. The capitalist looks down on how the landowner does nothing and the rent of land comes to him as a present. However, both the capitalist and the landowner are the same. They are both capitalist just one is an industrial capitalist while the other is an agricultural capitalist. They both exploit the working class and sit there as the capital comes to him as a present. They are both parasitic of the working class labor. In the end as Marx likes to emphasize there are only two classes present in a capitalist society: capitalists and workers.

Private Property and Labor

In this section it is more about the findings of political economist that man’s labor is the source of value. Therefore, the way to get the most value from a human being consists of an anti-human treatment of them. Political economist turn man into the essence of value, but by doing so they reduce man into a worker and thus removing their humanity.


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