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 Post subject: Discussing www.socialismrealised.eu/
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:00 pm 
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Hello everyone,

Today I found a website which explores communism in Czechoslovakia, particularly to highlight the consequences of communism. I thought it would be a nice discussion piece.

http://www.socialismrealised.eu/


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It is worth noting that Czechoslovakia, and every other country in the USSR, never achieved communism. This isn't really a debatable statement.

We could perhaps have a discussion about the history of the Russian Revolution and what went wrong etc. if you like, or maybe you'd prefer some elaboration on why I'm putting forward that communism has never existed on Earth since capitalism has been established.

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 Post subject: Re: Discussing www.socialismrealised.eu/
PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:33 am 
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I would like to hear why you would say communism hasn't existed on Earth. Has true Marxism never flourished? But instead only regimes which had used the name Communist?


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I did make sure to add the qualifier "since capitalism has been established," because prior to capitalism primitive communism existed. Marx commented a few times upon the primitive communism of the Incans.

Just a touch of a nit-pick but Marxism tends to refer to the logic of the proletariat rather than any given type of society, but you are correct in your basic position there that communism has never existed and has merely been a name applied to regimes. To understand why this is so apparent to Marxists, it is worth looking at the revolutionary process (maybe I'll make a more in-depth topic on the process of revolution later).

Before the revolution happens, the communist party refines its theoretical orientation to the situation it finds itself in, it makes contact with the working class when and where it is tactically advisable to do so, once large amounts of social anger build up the communist party will participate in the class movement and polarise the working class around itself. If all goes well then the working class led by the communist party will topple the bourgeois state and move to establish a proletarian state. Once this proletarian state has been established the new state has the task of disintegrating the old capitalist relations of production and replacing them with communistic relations of production, once this task has been finished, then, and only then, are we out of capitalism and in to communism.

Now, knowing the above, let us take a look at why I say there has been no communist society on earth since capitalism has been established.

The only historical situation in which the above outline has remotely occurred was in 1917 Russia. The proletariat did in fact genuinely smash the state and then erect their own state apparatus, but that still isn't communism. In order to achieve communism we're going to need to disintegrate the capitalist relations of production and dissolve our state apparatus in the process. To do that, in Russia's historical case, the state is going to need to spread their proletarian revolution across Europe, across the entire globe as a matter of fact. This is necessary because while capitalism has a major foothold in the production of human beings (i.e. is the mode of production in which most humans live) the other capitalist nations will always wage war on the proletarian state in whatever ways they can, and we can't simply expect a single nation or small group of nations to defend themselves from the entirety of the global offensive of capitalism. Additionally, Russia found itself in the situation of not having actually gone through a capitalist mode of production, and thus was very much not industrialised and therefore lacked the productive basis for the establishment of communism.

Because the revolution did not successfully propagate itself across Europe, Russia was left alone. Things degenerated extremely quickly, and every policy that the USSR took on international affairs were blatant symptoms that the revolution was in full retreat, the idea of socialism in one country in particular is effectively a "peace treaty" with the capitalist world, promising them that they will not aid any foreign revolutionary movements, which is precisely the historical task of an established proletarian state.

I hope that helps some, and I also hope Arty will lend me a hand in answering this question.

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The answer was actually very helpful. The process of a Marxist revolution and the idea of a "socialism in one country" were two topics which I was actually quite curious about, and you explained them very well.

A question that I've had for you though, what do you think of Castro's revolution in Cuba? And what are your thoughts on Cuba's current activity, such as their legalization of small and medium businesses?


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The question of Cuba has been discussed a little bit already, read over the topic and see if you have any further questions.

is-cuba-socialist-t1287.html

If you've already seen it just let me know.

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