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 Post subject: Re: Bordigists?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:51 pm 
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Nah, no worries, I didn't think you sounded hostile at all. More or less what I meant by negligibly meaningful was, for example, do they have multiple members, do they have meetings, do they participate and/or intervene in any struggles within the class – that sort of thing. The purpose of that part of my comment was to try to rule out any of the groups that may be like virtually defunct or that, for example, consist of one guy with a website.
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 Post subject: Re: Bordigists?
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They refuse to use email...? :? What is their reasoning...?

This is a quote from their site:

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We chose not to have an e-mail address, both for security reasons and to avoid a pouring in of useless messages.

Now in 21st century you can make a lot of tricks that people can contact you trough email and that you don't have to put an email on your webiste (by which you are avoiding spam). Refusing to use email at all because of security reasons makes me think of them as really weird or paranoid people.

Maybe this what I write is stupid, but I this made really bad impression on me.

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The purpose of that part of my comment was to try to rule out any of the groups that may be like virtually defunct or that, for example, consist of one guy with a website.


I know that 'Programma' is bigger than that as I met three of them.

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Coincidentally (or perhaps not}, someone from the third group that Leo linked to is now posting on the forum here.


I think that this is 'Il Partito'.

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I wanted to contact ICP, but when I saw that they refuse to use email and that they want you to write them letter I kind of gave up. That's little bit too strange to me...


A little strange, but writing a letter isn't that difficult a thing to do. I had t write to them once and got a reply.

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 Post subject: Re: Bordigists?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:28 am 
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Yeah, I't not hard... but it's kind of strange. I'll probably write to them in some time...

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Bordigists are usually giant taints. Bordiga, on the other hand, was pretty cool.

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