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 Post subject: Re: Any Jazz fans?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:26 pm 
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Attempts by people who weren't white, european males to create art music? On RedMarx? What sorcery* is this?!

*Originally I spelled it 'sourcery', which seems to be something of an unusual habit of mine. Damn you Terry Pratchett.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Jazz fans?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Zanthorus wrote:
Attempts by people who weren't white, european males to create art music? On RedMarx? What sorcery* is this?!


Jazz is not art music. At least was not intended to be, but something something dialectical inversion blah blah influence by white bourgeois males something something revolution

btw, teeny weeny minor issue, can we has footnote tagz pu-puleeze?
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 Post subject: Re: Any Jazz fans?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:28 am 
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Only if you admit that all your Jazz are inferior to Bach.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Jazz fans?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:36 pm 
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Typical of white middle-class males to feel the need to categorize things in a hierarchical order


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 Post subject: Re: Any Jazz fans?
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Yes, as one birthed of the mystical soil of the East, I find all of these Eurocentric judgements to be based on an offensive sense of hierarchy pervaded by Western, clerical philosophical assumptions. It is not the case that Bach is 'superior' to Jazz, as your Western, vivisectional worldview prompts you to proclaim, but rather you must learn from our ancient Eastern traditions, and declare that in actual fact Bach is the only thing that is, and all is Bach, and hence jazz is not. As the famous socialist, Swami Vivekananda, put it, "The whole universe is one. There is only one Self in the universe, only One Existence."

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Bach is the only thing that is, and all is Bach, and hence jazz is not.


Now this is a philosophy I can get behind.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Jazz fans?
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ZeroNowhere wrote:
Bach is the only thing that is, and all is Bach, and hence jazz is not.


But if all is Bach and jazz is not, then Bach is not.


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 Post subject: Re: Any Jazz fans?
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Not Bach-- Beethoven. If Beethoven had lived in NYC in the 1920s, he would have written Rhapsody in Blue. If Gershwin had lived in Vienna..........nope, couldn't have happened. Gershwin was Jewish, wouldn't have been allowed to live in Vienna.

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When it comes to German classical music I vote for Wagner.

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And Wagner was an anti-semite, so therefore his art is inherently terrible

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