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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:34 pm 
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Anyone else with an interest in ancient (Egyptian, Greek, Roman etc) on here? I've been doing some listening to ancient Greek music recently and it's pretty fascinating. Check this out:



Has most of the essential works. The Seikilos Epitaph, the chorus from Euripides Orestes, the Delphic hymns and the hymns of Mesomedes. Look them up individually on youtube if you don't want to go through the whole thing. It's probable none of this is exactly how the stuff would've sounded in it's day but it's about as close as we can get with our current knowledge of music from the period.

What interests me the most is that the Greeks already had a system of musical notation and occassional use of music with multiple parts centuries before either was recreated by the Western choral music tradition. Also apparently Greek music was actually divided into distinct classical and modernist periods, with the music written after the Peloponnesian war being characterised by a move away from the previous system of established modes towards greater use of chromatic embellishment and instrumental virtuosity (Plato himself complains about this development in the Laws).

Oh yeah, and some of it sounds cool as ****. Like the rawest, kvltest **** you ever heard.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:44 pm 
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I like native American stuff and Chinese, Korean and Japanese

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:56 pm 
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Искра wrote:
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Pfft, weaboo detected.

Although this is pretty cool:


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 Post subject: Re: Ancient Music
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They are quite good, they even have more modern stuff with electric guitars, drums and bass...

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 Post subject: Re: Ancient Music
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Apparently all their material is original though, which means that technically it isn't ancient or traditional music, though neither are any 'ancient Egyptian' compositions either I suppose.

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 Post subject: Re: Ancient Music
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Nothing you can find on Internet (or even on vinyl) is ancient for that matter. But these guys do play in "ancient way" so I think it's ok

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Yeah like I said I don't have a massive problem with 'modern' traditional music, especially in the cases of musical cultures which had no written notation. However, with music like the tunes from the video in my first post, we know that those are all actual melodies written in ancient Greece.

Also, this one goes out to ZeroNowhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjcVbd1O7KQ

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Is this ok then? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7wScXYTkM

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'tis most excellent.

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I don't know if this counts (but where else am I going to post this information?) but check this out:

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One day in 1482 there appeared at the gates of Ludovico Sforza's rugged stone castle in Milan a tall, handsome, auburn-haired 30-year-old fellow carrying the weird-looking object you see here. What on earth is it? If you crane your head sidewise and to the right, so that the image rotates 90 degrees to the left, you should recognize it as the head of a fantastic creature like a horned crocodile. Except there are no crocodiles in Italy, and no horned creatures like this one anywhere in the world. But it was clearly a dragon (clearly), and it was made of silver. That man was Leonardo Da Vinci. And he invented heavy metal.


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