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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:00 pm 
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Aight folks place your bets, who's gonna win? I certainly wouldn't take trump off the table, but the dictates of capital seem to clearly favor Clinton as a tried and true lackey of the capitalist class. I definitely see her winning paving the way for a competent right wing populist to come to power though later


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:44 pm 
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I think you're right. Clinton. But the "alt-right," KKK, Nazis, have seen the future, and the loss in 2016 will be looked back upon as the beginning of their emergence as a "legitimate" and "popular force." "Nach Trump, uns" these little fascists are singing.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:08 pm 
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Money is definitely still on Clinton, with the same general consensus expressed here. Heil Trump folks.

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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
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We were wrong.

I think we underestimated the 'middle-finger' value that a Trump vote carried similar to Brexit.

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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
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My record is unblemished over almost 40 years. I predicted Carter would beat Reagan-- the first in a long series of obvious successes.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
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Alright so, what happened.

Clinton had a **** load of money behind her compared to Trump. As I recall hearing, Clinton had roughly 30-40 billionaires behind her campaign while Trump had 5, counting himself. But what we forgot is that cash is trash, except when it isn't then it's king, but right now it is. All that money invested in Clinton turned out to be afflicted with the negative interest rates seen everywhere else resulting in a loss. The traditional American ruling class has lost control of the population, no not because the working class has become independent, but because it has turned in on itself and the white part is once again convinced it can find a better life by repressing the non-white parts. Time to make room for that other wing of the ruling class, the one that almost lost the civil war that was never finished.

Also recommended is Arty's blogpost on this

http://thewolfatthedoor.blogspot.com/

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There's the excited chatter of resentment and "taking action" on the "left" subreddits, of which I'm now a sucker for.
Hit up comrades for reading/theory groups (at least some dozens, be ridiculous) on whatever networks, etc- this is an exceptionally key time to do so, I mean this, e.g. people now more willing to talk of "unifying" in various antifa styled groupuscules among other modest calls, admirably no small step from the upsetting lethargy since post-Occupy.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:16 pm 
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[quote="Broletariat"]We were wrong.

I think we underestimated the 'middle-finger' value that a Trump vote carried similar to Brexit.


When I first made my post I actually had my bets on trump. Hence not taking trump off the table.

Then I considered the sheer amount of money that the capitalists had spent on the election, erased it and thought "nah it'll probably be hillary because that's what the rich want".

She technically won the popular vote as I understand, but god damn if I was gonna go with my gut reaction it was definitely trump pulling another brexit.

We definitely are seeing the class war in action. Watching the media break the 4th wall for a moment and go "holy ****, was this our fault" as they realized trump was winning was fucking priceless though.

But indeed, this is a crucial moment in the education part of the "Educate, Agitate, Organize" Cycle in breaking down the analysis to people as to why clinton lost. The ruling class is quite obviously fractured right now and the techtonic plates of power are shifting as we speak. If you interact with any marginalized communities it's also an extremely important time to be an ally and find ways to bridge the gap between your white friends and non-white friends if possible.

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Antiochus: Can we please stop [only] pretending now that this represents the rise of American proto-fascism and not some "old populist racism" nonsense? Second I think now illegality is a must. Which means more than ever Americans need to turn to tactics pioneered by Anarchists and Bolsheviks

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 Post subject: Re: 2016 American Presidential thing
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I'm not really well read on the whole tactics of illegality but it would seem as though advocating such tactics right now is fairly stupid.

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